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As Jesus was approaching the path down from the Mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to praise God joyfully with a loud voice for all the deeds of power that they had seen, saying,
‘Blessed is the king who comes in the name of the Lord!
Peace in heaven, and glory in the highest heaven!’
Some of the Pharisees in the crowd said to him, ‘Teacher, order your disciples to stop.’ He answered, ‘I tell you, if these were silent, the stones would shout out.’ Luke 19:37-40

Yes, I’m several weeks ahead of myself in terms of the Lenten calendar, but I can’t stop thinking about the problem of not speaking up especially when we are in the presence of injustice or meanness. Followers of Jesus speak up, at least when we are being faithful. (Peter was sadly more fearful than faithful on a couple occasions. And so are we.)

Imagine that you are in a meeting – maybe even a church meeting – and you hear lies about the pastor. Or you hear someone call someone else a racist word. Or you hear someone yell, “Shut up!” to the another member. Or you hear someone make a joke about a disabled child.

There are many reasons why we keep quiet: fear, “politeness,” indifference, not wanting to “rock the boat.” I’ve heard all these reasons from Good Church People. I’m weary of this.

Who taught us to refrain from speaking when we hear lies, cruel comments, unnecessarily harsh words or slander? Who taught us to look the other way?

Among the issues church people have shared with me over the course of my almost forty years of professional ministry:

• I saw the elder throw a lamp at the pastor.
• The pastor told the associate pastor to shut up at a board meeting.
• I heard an elder make a comment about our (female) pastor’s breasts.
• Our pastor regularly humiliates the church administrator at our staff meetings.
• The organist sometimes explodes at our choir practice.
• It’s crazy how many people use the “n” word in the church parking lot after worship.
• A member shared a rumor that the pastor’s having an affair.
• A group of leaders told me they’re trying to get the pastor fired.

I usually follow these statements with, “And then what did you say?” “And then what did you do?”

Invariably, these folks report that they were afraid to say something. Or they didn’t want to exacerbate things. Or they didn’t know how to stand up to the pastor’s authority. Or they couldn’t possibly stand up to that church member. Or they were shocked to the point to silence.

Who taught us that it’s okay to hear such things or witness such things and not speak up?

If we believe what we say we believe about the message of Jesus in terms of loving our neighbor, defending the weak, speaking the truth in love, and driving out demons, how can we stay silent? As Jesus entered Jerusalem on the last week of his life, he admonished the Pharisees who told him to quiet his disciples. If these disciples were silent, the stones would shout out. Amen.

For the love of God, please speak up when you hear anything that mocks Jesus. Not speaking up feeds dysfunction and empowers bullies. Not speaking up gives the impression that you agree with tormentors.

Imagine how different things would be if we held each other accountable:

• Why in the world would you say that?
• This is not how Christians speak to each other.
• What makes you think that’s okay?
• How can you serve as an elder if you share gossip?
• You are better than this. Words like that only hurt our church.
• If someone said that about you, please know I would stop them.

So many of the conflicts in our congregations would go away if we held each other accountable. Please speak up.

The thing about fast tracking is that there is a higher likelihood of crashing.

And yet, in our increasingly no-one-size-fits-all world, sometimes the healthiest thing to do in terms of moving forward in mission and ministry is to fast track leaders so that they can get started doing what they’ve been called to do. Consider professional ministers.

In my denomination, we call the process of preparing people to be ordained to the office of Minister of the Word and Sacrament being “under care.” Our denomination has constitutional requirements for ordination. Seminaries have other requirements. Presbyteries have still other requirements. This is a 3+ year process that involves academics, field education, counseling, coaching, oral and written testing, and papers to write and defend.

There are ways to fast track this process. In my denomination, some requirements are sealed in stone (like taking Ancient Hebrew and Koine Greek languages and subsequent exegesis classes.) And other requirements are looser (like you can do field education in your home church in some seminaries and Presbyteries.)

Sometimes fast tracking makes sense and sometimes it doesn’t.

When it makes sense: there is an immigrant pastor from Brazil without a formal seminary education who has served a church in their country for 4 years. But they have now come to a U.S. seminary to seek official ordination and they have so many hoops to jump through it feels impossible. But there is a congregation in the U.S. who needs a Portuguese-speaking pastor as soon as possible.

When it doesn’t make sense: there is a youth group leader from the suburbs without a formal seminary education who has been a volunteer in their home church for 4 years. They have started seminary and the hoops feel annoying. There is no rush to get through the ordination process except the seminarian wants to be ordained and paid a liveable wage as soon as possible. There is no particular rush on the part of the congregation either but they are trying to be accomodating.

As a professional pastor whose worked with lots of seminarians and young pastors, I find it extremely valuable for people to have experience in serving a variety of contexts before ordination. They might assume that suburban ministry is where God is leading them because that’s the context they’ve always know. But if encouraged/required to serve in a rural church or in a hospital or in an urban church, they might discover that – actually – God is calling them to a different ministry than they previously imagined.

I could give you a dozen of examples of times I’ve watched God do this.

Is there a place for fast-tracking? Yes. Is is always a good idea? No.

What I’m finding – thanks be to God – is that some denominational governing bodies have become more permission-giving in terms of opening doors and windows for preparing leaders in ways that make sense for their particular situations. We need more of this. And we need to ensure that we aren’t just being lazy. When churches crash, the layers of damage are overwhelming.

At least in my denomination, clergy do not choose their own successors. Or at least we aren’t supposed to do that. I’ve seen pastors try and it almost always results in disaster. I’ve seen leaders act like bishops (although my denomination doesn’t have bishops) and make decisions “for the church” that congregations should make for themselves.

Nevertheless in these days of ongoing institutional shifts, I’m seeing a variety of plans as Baby Boomer Pastors – especially Pastors of large congregations – are retiring. Here are a few of those plans:

• The Pastor announces their retirement. A committee is chosen to seek a Transitional Pastor to serve in the gap between the retirement and the search and calling of the next Pastor.
• The Pastor announces their retirement and a committee is elected to choose the next Pastor who will join the current/retiring leader as a pair of Co-Pastors serving side by side until the retiring Pastor has their farewell party and then the new Co-Pastor becomes the Pastor.

There is no one right and healthy way to move from one leader to another leader in the same role. And yet there are a couple things to keep in mind to make it more likely that the church/organization we say we love thrives in the future.

• Remember that we won’t always be in this role. When we make ourselves indispensable, we aren’t doing anybody any favors.
• Please – for the love of God – equip other leaders to lead. I know congregations who barely know where the communion elements are much less how to set up The Lord’s Supper because the pastor or the pastor’s spouse or Miss Jenny who is 80+ years old has been doing it for decades. I know elders who have never been asked to pray out loud during meetings much less during worship services. I know congregations who can’t do anything without the pastor (or a member who is the de facto pastor) being present.
• Remember that every congregation is in transition NOW. If we’ve had the same leader for at least 10 years, many things have changed since that leader started. If we haven’t transitioned along the way, there will be an especially steep culture shift when a new leader begins. Imagine the shift if the pastor has been with us for 30 years. Yikes. (I see you, my congregational friends who’ve had the same leaders for over 40 years.)

These are tender issues. As all the generations await the stepping away of Baby Boomers (finally!) I myself am in this category of realizing that someone will succeed me in my role sooner than later. What are we doing to ensure that our congregations thrive? I know too many colleagues who are detached and really don’t seem to care what happens after they retire just so they get healthy pensions and a party that last Sunday. (Yes, that sounds harsh. Many of our oldest clergy are simply tired. It’s okay to leave.)

And it’s also holy and healthy to leave on a high note, having set up our congregations for success in the future. And success means more than an endowment and a sturdy building. How have we led our congregations to make an impact in our communities? How have people matured in faith during our service? How have we pointed to the future with a deep faith that knows God will lead us to ministry we cannot even imagine.

I write this today from Columbia Theological Seminary where several colleagues serving Presbyteries are getting to know the largest demographic on this campus now: immigrant students from Kenya and Madagascar and India and Syria and Pakistan and Tanzania and South Korea and Ghana and Liberia. These gifted leaders are among those who will lead our congregations in the future. How can we get ready to welcome them and let them be our successors?

Finally, don’t be a Logan Roy. Be a Victor Aloyo – or a leader like him.

As my friend AAM says “Every day’s a school day.” We learn more from failure than perfection, and in Church World we have so many possibilities for learning that we tend to miss.

Situation: We called a young pastor with babies and it didn’t work out. What did we learn?

• That we’ll never call a young pastor with babies ever again?
• That we need to look beyond our assumptions that “young pastors” will grow our church with other young families?
• That just because this pastor looked like someone we were seeking, we missed some red flags that had nothing to do with the fact that this pastor happened to be young with babies?

Situation: People are complaining that we don’t have Sunday School anymore. What did we learn?

• That this is surely somebody’s fault – probably the pastor’s?
• That we need to interpret more effectively to the congregation that our culture has shifted and while we don’t do 9:30 am Sunday School, we actually have more opportunities than ever for spiritual nurture and participation is pretty great?
• That our elders need to discern whether or not even they consider spiritual growth to be a priority in their own lives much less in congregational life?

Situation: There have been recent personnel shake-ups that have left the congregation anxious. What did we learn?

• That if we pretend those changes never happened, everything will be fine?
• That we really are “like a business”?
• That we need to have some Come to Jesus conversations about how we treat our staff?

Situation: Affordable housing is being considered for our church’s neighborhood and about half the church is “very concerned” to the point of protesting the plans at a City Council meeting. What did we learn?

• That our church is more divided than we realized?
• That we “don’t talk about politics” for this very reason?
• That we need to have conversations about what’s meant by affordable housing? (It could mean housing formerly unhoused people or it could mean housing nurses and teachers who can no longer afford to live in our zip code.) And we need to have conversations about what the Bible says about neighbors? And we need to look at our whole culture of mission. (Is it about sending checks to other continents or is it about building awareness and forming new relationships?)

I’m sort of – but not totally – surprised when churches so quickly move on after staff revisions, traumatic losses, financial shifts, demographic changes, and unexpected blows. I’ve worked with congregations who literally say “Let’s pretend like that never happened” after a church-splitting disagreement. I’ve worked with at least one church who elected a Pastor Search Committee the Sunday after their pastor dropped dead. I’ve known churches so conflict avoidant that they simply stopped talking to each other in meaningful ways. The come to church. They say “hello.” They worship. They go home.

There is something to learn in every situation. Usually it’s more than the decision to cast blame or shut down or leave. Growing pains usually hurt a little bit. But growing and learning offer so much possibility. So. Much. Possibility.

I almost called this post “When We Love Our Church So Much We Are Inadvertently Killing It.”

Every day of my life I hang out with people who love their church. ”Their church” is where they remember sitting in the pews as children. ”Their church” is where there are stained glass windows or pew cushions or baptismal fonts donated by their grandparents. ”Their church” is where they were baptized and married, where their parents’ and grandparents’ funerals were held. ”Their church” is about fond memories of Vacation Bible School and mission trips and choir.

Lent is just a week away and some of our congregations will gather for Ash Wednesday services where they might hear this traditional reading:

Isaiah 58:6-9 (The Message)
“This is the kind of fast day I’m after: to break the chains of injustice, get rid of exploitation in the workplace,
free the oppressed, cancel debts. What I’m interested in seeing you do is: sharing your food with the hungry,
inviting the homeless poor into your homes, putting clothes on the shivering ill-clad, being available to your own families. Do this and the lights will turn on, and your lives will turn around at once. Your righteousness will pave your way. The God of glory will secure your passage. Then when you pray, God will answer.
You’ll call out for help and I’ll say, ‘Here I am.’

The message (and The Message) are clear and yet – if we are honest – we just don’t want “our church” to be this kind of church.

There is a huge spiritual difference between identifying “my church” as

• The place of my ancestors and memories and power base and
• The community that serves together to break the chains of injustice, eliminate workplace exploitation, free the oppressed and cancel debts. The community that shares our food with the hungry, invites the homeless into our own homes, clothes the ill-clad and is always available to our own families in the name of Jesus.

Many of us (most of us?) just don’t want to that second part that Isaiah talks about.

Sometimes we have pastors who are on fire to step in and lead their congregations to be an Isaiah 58 congregation. But their congregations love “the church they’ve always been” and their pastors find themselves frustrated.

Sometimes we have church members who are on fire to shift their congregations from focusing on “getting new members” to being the kind of congregation described in Isaiah 58. But their pastors have no energy to learn how to lead that kind of church. And members leave in frustration.

Let’s get serious: what kind of church is “our church”? Many of you will say “we are both a church that treasures our tradition and reaches out into the community.” Maybe. But which is dominant?

The truth is that “our church” actually belongs to Jesus. How does “our church” look like Jesus and how does it not? This would be a good conversation to have during Lent.

Two year-olds are not always good at sharing. On our way to Montreat Conference Center when FBC was about two, he was holding a globe-of-the-world beach ball in his car seat while watching the scenery outside. ”My truck,” he said of the truck that we passed. ”My cows,” he said of the cows grazing in fields. And finally, “my world” as he held onto his beach ball. 

That’s about right for a two year old. Or anyone who acts like a two year old.

The possessive pronoun “my” factors into our spiritual lives on a regular basis. I often hear church people refer to “my congregation” or “my committee.” I hear pastors say “my organist” or “my elders.“ This could be a word that denotes affection or it could denote a subtle form of ownership.

I am currently reading Mark Elsdon’s book Gone for Good: Negotiating the Coming Wave of Church Property Transition and I cannot recommend it more enthusiastically. The notion of ownership impacts everything about Church World from who legally owns the church building to who is the de facto owner of the tea towels in the church parlor.

In the Presbytery I serve, there are more African American Presbyterians than in any other place in the world because of slavery. And in many cases – after Emancipation – the first land that former enslaved people owned was church property. 

And Mark Elsdon points out that . . .

Essentially all land that churches sit on in the United States was at one point home for Indigenous peoples. Jim Bear Jacobs, church leader and citizen of the Mohican Nation, traces the legacy of sin made manifest in the doctrine of discovery that remains in play today when churches buy and sell property (in Chapter Six.)

Imagine the confusion when native peoples who had lived on their property for generations watched European settlers plant flags on their homeland and proclaim that they now owned it. Spiritually speaking, most Indigenous peoples believed that only God could “own land.” How preposterous that men from Spain, France, and England simply showed up and claimed that their human kings and queens now owned it.

The congregations in our Presbytery gather on real estate once the homeland of the Waxhaw, Sugaree, and Catawba tribes. How about your church?

This week I’m thinking about how “owning it” negatively impacts what it means to Be The Church. Dissertations could be written about this phenomenon, but I hope to spark some ideas about how shifting what we believe about ownership might help us be more faithful. Stay tuned.

One of the most stunningly ignorant things I’ve heard from a smart person recently was this. 

A few months ago, I was talking with a lovely 90+ year old white church lady who is generous and bright and has traveled a bit in her life. And now she is rather confined but she watches and reads the news. And she asked me about racism. 

“Do you believe that people in America are still racist?” I did not scoff at her. I did not write her off as an ignorant bigot. I told her – plainly – that, yes, people in our country are still racist. And she asked me for some examples. 

I shared with her some experiences I had as Co-Moderator of my denomination’s General Assembly while serving alongside a woman of color in that I had a front row seat to both microaggressions and macroaggressions. I heard comments with my own ears that were shockingly racist. I shared with her comments that white church members have made in my presence while serving in my current role including calling one of my Black colleagues the N-word to his face “in a friendly way” in a church fellowship hall, including discussing with one of our pastors while his church cannot host the Sons of the Confederacy for monthly meetings, including the request to remove the little Confederate flags from their church cemetery.

She listened and I believe she heard me. She’s at a point in her life when she probably will not have similar experiences. And yet she was willing to listen. She was curious to learn more.

We can probably all name people in our families, our work places, our neighborhoods who are not curious to learn about current-day racism, much less about the racist history in our country. They roll their eyes and complain about “wokeness” as if being open to conversations about racism are comparable to being open to conversations about worshipping Satan.

There are literally acts of Congress that hurt people of color in our nation’s history. To deny this is to be intentionally ignorant of facts. There are no alternative facts. 

If you tell me that you have never witnessed an act of racism – from White children not inviting Black children to their birthday parties to Black families not being able to buy homes in White neighborhoods – you are either clueless or an amnesiac.

This does not mean we hate our country. Imagine that I had an addicted great-grandfather than caused mayhem because of a moonshine habit and I wish he had stopped drinking but I still love him. Imagine that my neighbor painted her house pink and I wish she’d not done that, but she is still my neighbor. Imagine that I serve a Church that has a history of not allowing Black Christians to learn to read and yet I still love my Church.

I love my country and I know my country can do better. And I love the Church of Jesus Christ and know that we in the Church can do better.

So – friends who complain about “wokeness” or “libs” or “haters”: what would it take for us to have a healthy conversation about racism in our present days and in our history? This is a real question.

Maybe it won’t happen in 2024 or even five years from now. But I can tell you for sure that there are decisions congregations will make that will eventually close their churches.

I don’t have the authority to close a church in my role with our Presbytery. I wrote about this previously. But I’m noticing that congregations continue to make decisions that will result in closing their churches sooner than later.

Note: Sometimes closing a congregation is the most faithful choice a congregation can make. Hope to see some of you at the January 17 conversation with Mark Elsdon, editor of the book Gone for Good: Navigating the Coming Wave of Church Property Transition. Maybe there’s still time to register here.

Churches: Please Make Good Choices

Congregational leaders make decisions every day. Their governing boards exist to make decisions on behalf of the congregation. Here are some choices that are – actually – decisions to close:

• The decision to hire available retired pastors instead of available fresh-out-of-seminary pastors because retired pastors don’t require medical benefits (and are subsequently cheaper.)
• The decision to sell church property to support the current budget rather than using the funds to serve the community/expand the congregation’s community outreach.
• The decision to ignore the disabled members of the congregation because “there are only three of them.”
• The decision to cut funding to the food bank instead of the paid choir members.
• The decision to shut down the church preschool because all the students were Muslim and “their parents were never going to join the congregation which is why we started a preschool – to get young families.”
• The decision not to install an elevator in the new construction “because we don’t have any people who use wheelchairs.”
• The decision for leaders to cling to their roles without recruiting and training their replacements claiming “no one will do it if I don’t.“
• The decision to keep the same “mission projects” year after year even though they have zero impact in the community.
• The decision to look down on neighbors who don’t have our education or our status.
• The decision to tolerate church bullies.
• The decision to ignore deep conflict.
• The decision to delay essential building maintenance.
• The decision to refuse Cost of Living Adjustments for church staff.
• The decision to serve ourselves and ignore the needs of our neighbors.

A point comes – after we’ve been making bad decisions for too long – when we will not have the capacity to recover. And then the healthiest choice might be to discern what life-giving legacy we can leave for others to come after us.

It’s January, folks. A new beginning. What choices will we make that help us be a healthier church in 2024?

President Reagan was shot in an assassination attempt while I was in seminary. And I remember that when a classmate of mine (who often expressed her disagreement with the President) picked up her first grader at school that day, her daughter said, “We’re glad that President Reagan got shot, right?”

My classmate was mortified. ”Of course we aren’t glad. We disagree with the President but we would never want him to be hurt.”

I grew up in a culture that seemed to believe that if we disagree with someone then we also hate them. I thought it was A Southern Thing. But I’m fairly certain now that it’s A Thing for Everyone – a widespread and destructive thing.

If you are a church person, think about a time you very much disagreed with a person on a church committee or in a Bible study. In every congregation there are “sides” in terms of worship preferences or political differences or theological contrasts. And it’s so easy to see “the other side” as an enemy – even in church. Maybe especially in church.

The often violent divisions in the world – especially in our nation – are based upon the belief that if we disagree with people we also hate them. This is unholy at the least and insane at the most. 

Imagine a world in which we hear someone express an opposing “side” and nevertheless we love them. 

Remember when Jesus challenged the Pharisees? Keep in mind that Jesus loved the Pharisees. Jesus died for the Pharisees. Jesus spoke the truth in love to the Pharisees and sometimes his words were fierce. In the end – even from the cross – Jesus exuded love.

Imagine a world in which Trump voters disagreed with but obviously wanted the best for Biden voters – and visa versa. Imagine a world in which “liberals” and “conservatives” agreed to disagree while still loving and respecting each other. Imagine people genuinely loving their enemies. Maybe we don’t like them, but we still love them.

Imagine a world in which we say, “Bless their hearts” and we mean it. It’s not just a Southern thing. It’s a universal thing.

If they know we are Christians by our love, how is that going?

Happy New Year! Let’s talk about money.

22 states increased their minimum wage effective January 1, 2024. Sadly my own state of North Carolina continues to require only the federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour. 

In the Presbytery I serve, we now require a minimum for churches to pay their contracted pastors after learning that some of our pastors were being paid the same hourly wage as a starting employee at Subway. For the record, our required minimum salary per hour is now $23.00 for urban and suburban congregations and $20.00 for rural congregations. Still it’s less than the U.S. average hourly pay of $34.10 for office work. The average retail hourly wage is $23.85. Both of these stats are based on The Bureau of Labor Statistics.

And here’s the thing: if a church cannot pay their part-time pastor $23.00/hour for 20 hours/week of work, they will contract for their pastor to work only “10 hours/week” knowing full well that more than 10 hours of work will be required. Often it’s the pastor who agrees to this, knowing that the church cannot afford to cover more hours or pay more per hour. But the pastor is willing. 

The problem is that this choice – to pay for only 10 hours of professional ministry per week while getting many more hours of service – is a decision to close that church eventually. It will be impossible after the underpaid pastor leaves/retires/dies to find another pastor willing to serve those same hours with that same hourly wage. (Another post is coming this week on choices we make that unwittingly close our churches.)

Catherine Neelly Burton has written an important article – The Future of the PC(USA) is Pastor-Less, and That’s OK for The Presbyterian Outlook – and she makes excellent points. In my own experience I’ve found that equipped church leaders who haven’t gone to seminary can be especially adept at pastoral care and mission responsibilities in their congregations. 

(Note: we don’t have “lay leaders” in the PCUSA since all baptized believers are considered part of the priesthood even though many Presbyterians continue to use that term. It’s not found anywhere in our Constitution.)

I’ve personally found that church leaders without strong Biblical and Theological training can perpetuate erroneous interpretation of Scripture (which can also be true for seminary trained leaders.) I’ve heard untrained leaders preach that the Curse of Ham is true, that Sodom and Gomorrah is about sex, and that the lesson in the Mary and Martha story is that some of us are supposed to be busy bees and some of us aren’t. Preachers without theological and exegetical training can mess with vulnerable people in that they are assumed to be authoritative when they are sharing long-disproven myths – like calling Mary Magdalene a prostitute. There’s nothing in Scripture that identifies Mary Magdalene as a prostitute.

Again, I know many seminary-trained leaders who have also perpetuated those myths. I’m a big fan of preachers being able to study the Bible in Hebrew and Greek in preparing a sermon. This is still a requirement in my denomination.

The truth is that Catherine Neelly Burton is right. The truth is that churches which cannot afford a pastor still deserve strong leadership. The truth is that congregational giving trends continue to fluctuate depending on many factors. The truth is that Jesus Christ will always have a Church. How we will pay for it financially will continue to vary in the future.

Check out Mark Elsden’s new book Gone for Good for more ideas.